Ben Saarel 4:02


#1

That was a crazy kick. Dont know why Bernie Montoya was in the back and it was a bummer my man Arroyo didnt win and no one broke 4…


#2

Yeah and you wouldn’t believe how many people on this forum doubted him after kicking 54s in a ton of races and already scalping Montoya on several occasions. Too bad the weather didn’t co-operate, because I agree with you that Arroyo was a major threat.


#3

No results in thread title noob.


#4

Give the guy a break, I count atleast 3 other high traffic threads on the first page of “high school elite” that have nearly the same title. They just have Mary Cain,Sean McGorty, and Arroyo as the title with a different time and no one said anything to the TS, besides its not like he posted DREAM MILE in the title.


#5

Kind of agree, these results, when race was advertised for weeks and on easily accesible web cast for free? cannot complain too much about this one.


#6

Cheesy is right - the rule is no results in thread titles. Period.

Arroyo and Montoya, McGorty, Wynne, Cheserek, they all gave it a go. The weather affected some more than others but they all had to run in the same weather and Saarel proved the best at it. Too bad he lost the sub 4:00.

Maul, have the nerve to say that I was the one who doubted Saarel’s ability. I actually was saying that he hadn’t proven he could race at that level because he hadn’t raced at that level. His previous best was 4:08. I didn’t think he could run this fast but I was wrong - he could run this fast and faster. Today was a sub 4:00 effort that yielded a slightly slower time through no fault of his. He ran an excellent tactical race, came on strong when needed and left no doubt about.


#7

Joe, you are right on almost all counts(sorry about the results thing):smiley: , except, as you know ya can never say someone would have run sub 4

I think this one for Saarel had all the elements, except it was off 3:06 and never leading, so he had some cover, until he had to go,which he did in a big way.

It probably accentuates the fact you close off monster strength rather than just raw speed as folks have alluded to before.

I would think off moderate evenly paced 3:02/'03, in good weather he would have gotten there or close today though.


#8

I am saying it - he would have run sub 4:00 today without the wind. I was sitting right there and felt the full brunt of it. I actually can’t believe that they ran as well as they did.


#9

and I totally get that, however, no one in HS runs sub 4 off anything less than 3:02 , so you have to give Saarel, 4+ to 3/4 and then he has to break 60

NOT saying I disagree with you, all I am saying is this is why it is never easy

If anyone looks up all the 5x, more including Ryun Multiples and Webbs sub 4’s in HS I doubt anyone was above 3:02 flat, maybe LV?


#10

Saarel won by so much today against other really really good guys that I would also be confident in saying that he is capable of sub 4.


#11

Full results posted anywhere?


#12

http://www.diamondleague-newyork.com/Live-StartlistsResults/Overview/adidas-High-School-Boys-Dream-Mile/


#13

@Joe, you definetly were not the only one to doubt him thats why I didnt say your name :P. You were the only one I had a thorough discussion with trying to prove my point though. I gotta be honest though I’m pretty sure I said I didn’t think he would approach sub 4, so he has succeeded my expectations with this result. What I did believe was that he was in the highest class of highschoolers (Saarel,Arroyo,Montoya,Ches) although this race shows he may be better than all of them right now.

I think todays effort was worth sub 4 with some ideal weather and pacing, we probably will never know. I knew his 4:08 closing in 54 and his 845 3200 closing in 53(to name 2 results) indicated much faster times.


#14

I hate to say it, but they didn’t do it today, and we will never know if it could have gone differently. :frowning:


#15

Except for of course, my personal favorite, Jim Ryun :wink: Ryun closed his 3:55 in 52.x so he had to come through in 3:03… I think?

With that said, Icahn is a very tought track to run well in, and I would have to say that 4:02 would be sub-4 in many other locations. Right along the water, you get a TON of wind that doesn’t help you as much as it hurts. Easily one of the hardest places to run. I remember personally running 4:48 in a 4x1600 there in my one time, with a PR of 4:19…


#16

wondered about that one


#17

have to see video in an all HS race


#18

If these guys would get together in Greensboro, with the typical distance favored weather as we have had in the past, I feel confident we’d see a sub 4…some are coming so who knows… June14-16…mile on the 16th.
Those kids in the Dream Mile ran incredibly well under difficult conditions…so impressive…
Maybe the announcers will get the names right next time


#19

I won’t argue whether anybody was able to go sub-4 or not today, but based on plenty of experience, Randall’s Island can be a very difficult place to run.


#20

Impressive result for Wynne. Continues to show well despite being very much under the radar.